Slavery longer traditio than us voting
This was so on point.too,too many of us feel that this voting nonsense really does work.unless a candidate is doing your bidding,that crap about the lesser of two evils shit goes put the window.voting for that lesser of the two evils is still detrimental.
I gotsta vote for my ancestors that didn't gets to vote. STFU Nobody said don't vote. The message is stay out of the presidential election and vote locally for the school board members you know who can dictate curriculum and how the money is spent to educate your children and the city council and mayor whom you should know personally and can force how your local taxes are being spent.
When the dems and repubs come to black people once we've sat out of the national farce they will have to negotiate to get us back into playing the game.
Listen,mr.moans....no need to tell me to shut the fuck up.we all have an opinion. I respect yours.....respect mines.
Too bad most black people won't listen. And this is coming from a black man who DIDN"T vote for Obama in 08 or 2012. I tried to tell other black people not to vote for Obama, including members of my own family - It didn't work.. And even if black people don't vote for Hilary, she can steal the election and lie about getting the black vote.
Great show and great point about voting. I never understood why we rally around people that don't have a specific agenda and or laws for black folk progression but, want to get our vote by doing a dance and playing saxophone like Bill Clinton did back in the day. I dig the #DontVote and I our Sisters & Brothers don't fall the gimmicks of the political system.
So on point this whole discussion. This was acutally part of a broader topic question I wanted to ask you Tariq when you visited the Bay 2 weeks back. Long winded girl ate up
All the time lol. Anyhow , my question was being that Hillary has a issue with a shortage of black votes wouldn't it serve visceral to use our vote as leverage to demand small business grants and a review of people serving long prison terms for bs petty drug crimes that were sentenced under her and Bills tough on crime law? I feel this may be our closing window. Even as the Black Caucus and Black Church has given the illusion to the nation blacks are backing her the numbers don't lie. Hillary is going to get real desperate because this is about legacy and history for her not anything else...that's why she is upset that her snag is the black vote(karma) I was sickened this morning by the tap dancing of the Black Caucus it was soooo scripted they are really trying to sell it . I figure more tax exempts and goodies for the churches have been promised if Hillary has been elected but nothing to truly help black people in the mass. I hope your social networking funding site is up soon so we can get that going. I think it will be important to communicate with others in our local areas with the upcoming local elections.i know in my area you are heavily censored all forms of media and you can't trust people it's such small town politics. One sister that sat on a school board outted a school employee for posting white supremacy views on Facebook and exposing the district not properly funding a black school in a poor part of town. Next thing you know her welfare recipient info was disclosed on Facebook and then the local paper ran the story on their website. The sister stepped down because she had to disclose personal information at a panel inquiry and she was humiliated. So even local politics can be dicey and we need to know who's who and what's what.
I meant to say serve us well
Can I get the name of the song and artist that was playing in the beginning... Thanks in advance
This make no sense. Don't vote is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. The vote ultimately is for the Supreme Court. Too much blood not to vote.
no that is how you get ferguson by not voting, the local elections are more critical than the national but only by six inches .you let the gop get all three houses, jim crow will be back. then like somebody said it is about the supreme court .I disagree with this big time because of the supreme court issue you have to vote.
There are some good points being made for and against voting.
For those people who are pro voting, how are you going to guarantee any results for the votes you cast?
I keep hearing that we need to keep voting but I have not heard any details on how to enforce benefits for black people. It seems like the strategy is to vote and then hope.
I am more on the side of not voting so that for a few election cycles, politicians can see exactly what happens when you do not have black participation. That gives us time to build a coalition that can produce a coherent list of demands.
For those saying that democrats are somehow better than politicians, I point you to Bill and Hillary Clinton. And take a look at the police strategies in democrat run big cities. O'Malley in Baltimore. De Blasio in NYC. Rahm Emmanuel's administration kept that tape out of circulation for a year knowing exactly what was on it. I keep hearing that democrats are better for blacks but I don't see it. The best of the worst is not really a ringing endorsement.
In the early days of this country, it was unimaginable for non whites to have the right to vote.
Yup, I agree with not voting w/o a plan. But if I say that I'll get bombarded with all the cliches like "your ancestors fought for this" and blah blah blah.
I also don't like how black people are being pressured to vote for Bernie. It's patronizing... White people pretend to care so much about Trump being a racist, but they're only for themselves...
America can't get any worse for blacks, any concern other groups are showing now is to save their own asses.
Although I must say, if Bernie was actually FOR affirmative action, he couldn't outright say it and expect to get elected in this white supremacist society.
A few weeks ago Tariq said "I hope Trump wins" now he says Trump won't win and is not a serious candidate?
Man, if Sanders said he was FOR affirmative action, then I would definitely be against him. Affirmative action is one of the biggest jokes ever played on black people. Black people, specifically black males, are the last group to get anything from aa.
I know white males who started businesses under the names of their white wives. One white guy I knew started a network engineering firm using his wife. He told me all his wife knew how to do was knit and buy off of ebay.
But by listing her as a 51% owner, he could bid on contracts set aside for women under aa policies!
AA is a cruel joke. I've seen it in corporations and academia. In the background, companies play Ice Cube's No Vaseline when writing up their aa policies. They are about to screw over black people.
I don't say any of this to brag or boast but more so to inform. I used to do data processing for a large corporation's HR department. If you took a close look at the black hires in a particular region, there was a specific pattern to how blacks got hired, promoted and how long they lasted. A black sister pulled me aside at that time and explained it to me. When I looked at the data, damn she was right.
When I was about to leave that project, a white executive, a Jewish man, told me point blank that minorities won't make it in that company. The jewish man was about to quit and join a startup so he was telling me all kinds of stuff about how the company treated blacks, asians etc. His career was done there so he really didn't care to hide anything. When you get around a white man who is running his mouth about the real deal, let that man talk. He can give you some inside information.
And the message of the civil rights movement has been diluted. Black people didn't want more rights. They wanted to be left alone when they exercised enumerated rights. White people could stay home from voting because they were taken care of no matter what they did. Black people thought voting would make a difference. But without an economic base to fuel lawyers and PACs, without capital to buy and sell politicians the way everyone else does, we would be left behind.
And that PAC hustle is real. There are all kinds of loop holes. Those things are basically free money. That is why you see those fools campaign so hard to raise money. A lot of that cash they can still keep as long as they can show legitimate use for it. It is legal bribery. And black people are late to the game as usual.
As a strategy in a national election I can't agree with this. I'm with you Tariq on the bulk of what you do but not this one.
What the conversation should be is how do we galvanize our votes and make ALL of the candidates WORK for it vs just handing the vote over.
NOT PARTICIPATING does EXACTLY what the opposition wants.
Far as using the "reparations" for Black people in the United States point against Sanders. Come on. The president in the white house RIGHT now himself has side-stepped that question.
Considering half people of registered people vote, I'd say #DONTVOTE (sighing at this) is working pretty well as presently constructed.
Thanks for putting out and promoting a message to people who hardly participate in the process in the first place. This is EXACTLY why for example city of DETROIT has of all things a WRITE IN candidate as the mayor
This is also EXACTLY why a criminal governor of Michigan that POISONED citizens of his own states GOT IN. DUE TO LACK of PARTICIPATION.
One more thing. We all KNOW or SHOULD know how the electoral college works Tariq. You're spreading MIS-information on one of your last shows. THE REASON the electoral college exist is so smaller states have representation.
Bottom line when a candidate whens the MAJORITY of the popular votes they get ALL of the votes. So don't make it seem like people's VOTES don't matter because the electorates can vote however they like.
You're much smarter than that to promote something like that. You're still my man and I will continue to support you as I have in the past but I can't roll AT ALL with this message.
Not voting was a stupid strategy. So much for Donald Trump not getting elected. but besides that what was accomplished by not voting? The aggrandizement of a play on words used by Tar. This man has a radio show? This man has Published in the NYT? There is a deficit of intellect in new york if this mans is considered an intellectual.
First his history on the civil rights era is either deceitful or deceitful. The civil rights movement was about integration. That was after that time period as a whole. Integration was legal in 1954. The civil rights era was at its peak in the 1960's.
Tarig was correct on Obama but ignorant on almost every other point. The gravity of the illogical discourse was stifling and embarrassing to those of us that grew up in the civil rights era. I said grew up, not was 'grown-ups' during the civil rights era.
Rock the boat constituting only 12.5% of the population? if every Black vote was for any politician they could not win. Since the 1940's the electoral college has voted with the winner of the popular vote in that state. It is true that they have the option of voting outside of the wishes of the populus but before their vote is registered, in most states they could be replaced by challenge. When was the last POTUS elected in spite of the popular vote in that state, Tariq? What?
When was the last POTUS elected that won the popular vote and lost the election? Hillary Clinton. How many before her? Tariq? Are you there? The fact is shameful, but the POTUS is not elected by the gross number of votes in the USA. But the winner of each state by majority. [or the right votes in the right place]. Trickery? You damn straight. The systemic control of the levers of power by law? You damn right. how does not voting help? Not one damn bit.
To achieve power you must be visualized as possessing a degree of power commensurate with what you want to accomplish. How much power does the tuna fish have? unless one has the stats on the amount of tuna, the benefit of having tuna, what will occur if we do nothing for or against tuna? keep up now. If the power of tuna is not known WTFC about what tuna wants? Let's relate, (i was eating a tuna fish sandwich while writing this so forgive the tuna reference but it makes sense. How can we "PIMP", [I believe to be your choice of words], our vote if it has no value. How many votes constitute a threat if we do not know how many votes we have? How do our enemy know our power if we do not vote, even at the 90% that elected 'no drama' Obama? What power does 45-48 million Black People have operating within the caucasoid system? About 12-14% of the population voting at 100% cannot elect a POTUS. Why? Black Repubs that will vote every time to maintain their status as the real American that's ready to work within the system to "pull themselves up by their imaginary Bootstraps". I thought James Baldwin showed us this stuff; or the spook behind the door, et al. The amount of logical debate out there for anyone interested in the false history taught in schools is almost insurmountable. This did not start with black slaves kidnapped to America. It started, "until the lion has its own historian, the hunter will always be the hero".
What history do I write that say, "we have power that we failed to show." "if you have no weapons, point sticks before the enemy is too close to know you have no weapons. "Illusions are part of warfare." We are at war, sir. "build more fires when you have a small amount of warriors. Build less fires when you have many." -Sun Tzu- .Never fail to build fires. It is the path of a fool. Cold warriors fight less, hungry warriors, less than that. If your enemy fail to build fires assume he is not ready test him with a few. The cold and hunger will tell his strength. If you fail to "toe the line", you deserve no freedom!
After my generation fought the fight, you that only talk and do nothing judge those that are in power? Counsel those that say they represent you but do not allow the enemy to know they are weak. Stop debasing each other. You may know half the truth. Not enough.
A fool thinks he is wise and speak foolish things; a wise man knows he is a fool and continues to learn and teach by consent not dissent. Dissent is for logical debate, not illogical rants.
For those who have seen the show the Wonder Years, Tariq should do something similar. I have said it before but he has a gift for narratives.
On the ustream, Tariq clarified his "don't vote for a mainstream democrat or republican (without a commitment) stance". it makes a lot of sense.
Logically, black people who are saying "you must vote" are really saying "you must vote democrat". The majority of the blacks who are pro vote are advocating the democratic party, either sanders or clinton, whoever gets nominated.
Without a PAC or some hard core lobbying group, your vote gets wasted. We saw that in the last two presidential election cycles where I read blacks had historical high records and in some places blacks voted HIGHER than the national average by far. So why I am looking over my shoulder more than in the bush ii and clinton i years? It is an embarrassment that as hard as black americans went for Obama, that he really has done absolutely for us.
So people who keep saying "you must vote" have to be honest in that they are just going to vote democratic anyway, and sit there begging and waiting for any results. Meanwhile, jews, latinos and gays have PACs who make sure their interests are written in to law at some point. Those groups get something for their vote.
I am going to the voting booth but I am not voting for any democrat or republican at the national level for the presidency. I will tell people the same and why. I am not a fan of black republicans but they have a point when they say that black people have nothing to show for years of voting democrat. Vote green party or dang near anything else.
We can't do anything halfway. Without organization and coordinated efforts, both political and economic, both voting and non-voting are equally impotent. Many of us think that casting one vote is being politically active. Politics is a full contact sport and you have to play the entire game in all phases (local, state, national...voting, lobbying, corresponding, recalling, etc) We can say voting doesn't work, but how many of us are in contact with our congress people, city counsel, school boards, etc on a regular basis?? How many organizations have we joined and what type of political action do they take? If not voting is our form of protest, what do we follow up with? With out any type of agenda and follow up this is will end up like the #occupy movement which starts out strong but quickly dissipates.
I usually shrug it off when Tariq seems to contradict himself.
With some things, he seems to be thinking out loud.
And so long as I can independently verify certain statements, I don't fault him for changing his mind or even negating his own assertions.
I have no idea how this election will go. Trump has a huge backing among white males...but that is about it. Mitt Rommey was as white and neutral as you could get as a Republican and he still lost. White males are not enough to win the popular vote but that electoral college is what matters.
I don't care personally if Trump wins though it is good for black people, especially the buck dancers and the bed wenches, to hear exactly what white supremacists think of them. With a Trump win, white people will be all kinds of reckless, at least on the political side. They won't even pretend to want the black vote if they can get a Trump elected. I think that will wake up some black people and force them to choose a side.
I agree with Tariq's viewpoint about voting and why black people shouldn't vote simply to go through with it. However, I disagree with his comments towards the end about culture and lineage.
Most other groups of people (especially white people) do not simply abandon various parts of the culture or traditions because it doesn't help them advance or “work for them anymore”. In the past, many ethnic white people (Jews, Italians and Irish) relinquished parts of their culture and identity in order to integrate within the dominant white society. And they often take pride in seemingly useless traditions. For instance, Irish people with drinking, Italians with cooking absurdly large dinners, and Jewish people with circumcision. Now that those groups have full white membership, there is a rebirth of cultural appreciation in those communities. For example, many Italians are trying to learn Italian, many Irish people are learning about Irish folklore, and many Jews attend Yeshivas. To add to this, Hebrew was revived as a spoken language in 1880 by Eliezer Ben-Yehuda to help bring Jewish people together. And within other groups such as Asians, they have great respect and pride in all of their traditions. No matter how Americanized they may seem, they still have a high degree of respect for their specific Asian culture.
Now speaking about lineage, genealogy and ethnic identity, it isn't true that white people don't care about what part of Europe they originate from. In fact, white people are obsessed with it. If you were to ask a random white person - “what is your background?'- they would respond with a flurry of European nationalities. Most of which are the basically same thing thing but with a different spin on it. For example, “I'm German, Austrian, Swiss, Swiss-German, French and French-Canadian”. Genealogy is the 2nd most popular hobby in the United States after gardening, and the 2nd most searched criteria on the internet after pornography. And here is a link about it:
And recently whites have expanded their cultural and ethnic lineage to the idea of Celtic heritage. Celtic culture has become a modern day Pan-European identity. Which like most other parts of white identity, history and culture is based on wishful thinking and flat-out lies. It's a nice way for white supremacist to say that they are pro-white without being blatant.
In short, the problem with black traditions is when they are used merely as coping mechanisms and are done to shirk responsibilities and avoid taking care of business. Dancing is a black tradition worldwide, and it isn't innately bad. It's bad when black people are dancing to look for attention from non-blacks, to avoid serious issues, and to seem friendly and non-threatening to non-black people. Unfortunately, black people have been made to feel ashamed of many of the things that are part of black traditions, so they in turn try to shun it themselves. Dancing should be used as a cultural link for black people from various countries. If it were completely useless, white people wouldn't erase black people from the origins of many dances. For example, the Tango en Argentina, the Cumbia of Colombia and the Zamacueca of Peru & Chile. Traditions and Economic Independence are both parts of Black Empowerment.
I just read Locario's book and I completely agree with this MGTOW review of it:
This episode seemed a tad bit contradictory to me.
Almost like the message was "make them work for your vote" along with the contrasting "voting is a farce created as am illusion of power".
I love Tariq and all..
1) BUT HE IS DEAD ASS wrong on the not voting thing. He is wrong to the 10th degree... Although voting does not bring the massive changes we all want, opting-out is a very BAD MOVE. I'm not telling you to vote if you stay at your mama's house, don't have a job and etc. Nor am I telling you to vote because we might get reparations. BUT not voting will completely enable politicians to mistreats blacks EVEN MORE than they do now.. I know things are bad now but YES they can and could get worse if we choose to check out.
2) Sanders is a really good choice for us even if HE chooses not to support reparations. A) The mere fact that Sanders even answered a question on reparation is an example of how Sanders is best for the black community. No other candidate will even consider taking a question on reparations must less answering it. B) Presidents, even if they don't pass a single bit of legislation, control so much of government actions through appointments alone. I much RATHER have Sanders pick the next SUPREME COURT JUDGE than Trump or Hillary Clinton.
I could give a much in-depth answer to why #DONTVOTE is completely wrong and why Sanders is actually a good choice for blacks but I will respond to any comments.
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