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Reparations for injustice metered out to past generations is not an easy subject. True that Africans were enslaved. T heir present day families are asking for financial reparations for injustice metered out to their ancestors. No one doubts that those were terrible times with brutal consequence and death should the poor souls complain or try to take even the mildest action to show the injustice and brutality they felt as slaves. My race of people also had past generations butchered, made slaves and treated brutally for a far longer period of time yet I and past generations have not been able to bring law suits, have a day put aside for remembrance for those killed or enslaved. To be fair I have to admit that more recent history my race also went out and conquered other countries and made slaves of their poor people as well. I guess what goes around comes around - really does...
My point is: PLEASE stop trying to constantly milk the cow of sympathy and cash. It really is rather like flogging a dead horse. the vast majority of Americans have a great sympathy for your peoples past circumstance.
But please, please pick yourselves up, dust your mind set off and stop demanding another "look at poor me compensation plea" . Get some intestinal fortitude and DO SOMETHING TO UPLIFT YOUSELVES. Stop playing the "poor us card" - It actually denigrates the African races in Africa who are in reality a proud peoples.
So im assuming that you are so called Jew? LMAO!! If so, your people received MANY "reparations" by a nation that was not the transgressor of your actions. But beside any of the goofy shit you have just spewed, when has ANY nation in history "bootstrapped" and prospered after such oppressions? Making this the standard is unreasonable because it has never been done. In case you didn't know, America still has their boots on the neck of the slave descendants. And another thing you dullard, who's looking for sympathy? Nobody said anything about sympathy. You threw it out there as a lame attempt to discredit the argument.
But I'll play that coward game with you for a second. Now lets say you or any of you beasts actually gave a fuck, where are the fruits of that empathy? For example, if my grandpa takes all of your grandpas' life savings, property, and everything he owns, how sympathetic could I possibly be if I still have all of the deeds, properties, fruits etc plus more than what was taken from your grandfather, but refuse to turn those belongings over to you? Would it not be reasonably logical to demand those things taken?
You are too old to be so damn simple. Whomever you are.
Tariq to chime in on the reparations questions along with reparations how about all the industries that have profited most from slavery we not only get reparations but also if not sole ownership but part ownership
I'm torn on this subject. To me the idea of reparations is flawed on a few levels. The rate at which our people spend paper and throw themselves into debt to show out for people that we don't know, the money will go into our accounts and right back out into general circulation and we'll be back at square one. It's not as if we don't already have money. Also the idea of reparations is almost legitimising the genocide against our forefathers and then paying paying us with fake money that has no material value.
I agree, I'm 100% for reparations, but a one off cash payment isn't enough. We don't have the business sense to leverage the money to something that will benefit the next generation. I would rather have legislations in law that will give us 50% discount on property ownership and a 50% tax break on all black enterprises, plus a 100% free university education programme for black people wanting to study business. If they could implement these changes and set it in law to last at least 300 years from today (a day for every year of slavery) then I will be interested. At least at the end of the legislation we will have educated brothers with assets.
Again dude, all of your suggestions require either having the finances to take advantage of the actual reparation to begin with, or it sends us into a situation that is a trap in itself (college). If one of our problems is the lack of finances, why we would want to start from having to BUY anything in order to reap the benefits?
Absolutely not. There is no worth in something that is given to someone. I think leveraging better opportunities for black businesses to start up would be more appropriate. People come here all the time from 3rd World countries and are able to obtain business licenses and start-up capitol fairly easily, while the process is much harder for actual citizens.
Should blacks receive reparations for slavery?
Hell no!! Waste of money that will only put our country in more debt and we all know most blacks will waste the funds on trivial and frivolous bullshit. Truth.
Debt? Debt Nigga? Fuck this country. What has this country done for you! Why even TRY to ride for this country. THEY HATE YOU NIGGA! Wake up.
thank you bill for saying that they don't care about black people
Nigga, I have no animosity for white folks! You do! America, whether whites shit on black folks or not, in the end when this country falls, every country is going to fuck us over!
Giving money to blacks will do nothing for us or benefit our country whatsoever!
I disagree. I think some Blacks would waste money on bs, but its money that we are entitled to. I think most Blacks would put that money to good use. We were promised something from our government that we never got. You kind of sound like your on that coon train or scared nigga train.
If you read through these posts all you goin here is the coon train song playing in your head.
Our country????You sound stupid.Its not truth if it hasn't happen dummy.I mean how do you what black ppl would do with the money when it hasn't been received yet???Man,you sound stupid.
that's not try and yes blacks should. what the hell are you talking about because of our ancestors blood, sweat and tears your bitch is able to even live a free life here in america. They worked for free to build this country and to make a betters life for white mathafuckas and they kids and received nothing. They're consistency robbing africa blind till this day for resources for you me and the whole world to use and benefit off of. So how dare you even open your nasty mouth to say they're not owed boy get yo life
Most People don't understand how money which is simply a means of exchange for goods and services.
When this country was colonized by Europeans each one had to have medium of exchange for goods and services. For the first Europeans they had nothing but the land that each claimed and certain skills, gold, silver and the British pound as a means of exchange for goods and services and although free was dependent on the British pound because they did not have a Central Bank or a currency of their own and although not a surf was still dependent on their ex-slave master the lords of England. It was not until Americans Gained their independence and obtained their Central Bank based on their own printed or stamped money backed by gold because they were not a world power In contrast did we become a competitive world power. Unlike the Europeans who came here first they did not have or was given the right to claim land because they were slaves and property of the Europeans without any right to claim or own any land or any medium of exchange for goods and services other than their backs and their black asses. So you the audience tell me how could the African American ever have any economic empowerment with out a fair start as the Europeans if they are not provide the same initial resources that the Europeans were given when they gained their freedom from England, which is 1. A claim to some land. Their own financial institution in the form of a bank. Since they are not sovereign, Start up Money. It was tried with reparations, "Forty Acres and a mule" and most Important Feedman's bank. It work for 5 years, until the White Trustees embezzled the money from the bank causing the African Americans to return the Slave master to borrow money against his land and creating the well known Scam of "Share Cropping" because the ex-slaves had no bank of their own to obtain monies necessary to cultivate their crops, buy and sell real-estate, business development and circulate their monies. Sadly to say African American will always be instead of a slave an indentured servant or share cropper until the African American people wake up and resurrect Freedman's Bank. Integration will not provide economic empowerment until Blacks develop and control their own financial institution. Resurrection of a Freedman bank how in the contemporary financial world you would circulate the Black dollar.
Coon train comments in full effect. Blacks can't handle money? Smh
Exactly!!!! Whether or not blacks can handle money is irrelevant and not something we should even be worried about. Get the money and let us sort it out. Cause hell, in that case whites can't "handle cash either, but the difference is that they are playing with much more wiggle room.
Real talk Puck.
Nigga, you the first one on the coon train! Run that train with your reparations off a cliff, my nigga.
Robert,you sound like a troll who doesn't have a clue as to what it is you're talking about.Tariq did a show about#CoonTrain passengers like you.He also did a show on how you arent a citizen of america so this isn't our country.Again I must say you sound stupid.
"Wow", please explain how you're not on the CoonTrain too, my nigga. You're cooning for white folks when you're asking them for reparations. Instead of asking, forcing or demanding, how about you work for that shit, nigga?
If you live in America, you're a citizen. Fuck whatever historical context that states "you're not a citizen." If you live here and work hard enough, you can make something of yourself and become as rich as any person of any race. Same with any other minority in this country.
Tariq and Wow, you're second class citizens because you feel like you are. No one is holding you back from being successful but yourself. We as blacks are holding ourselves back. Collectively, we'll never achieve success if we continue trying to take money from the "dominate society."
In the end, what benefit will be had from this?
Go ahead, tell me. I'll wait.....
One of the best shows salute
Good show. The African diaspora should get reparations. To those who say, "They should not," you can ask those people, "What about reparations for the Civil Rights Era?" and those same people still say “no.” The irony is there are plenty of people who are still alive from the Civil Rights Era. So if you ask them that question, they still say “no” as if black people deserve nothing. That shows you where those people are mentally. And at this point, you just have to press forward in the cause without them.
Some people say there should be no reparations because it would be wasted. But like you, Tariq, I know I would not waste my share of the money. Some people have no confidence in themselves and their race because they think black people would be better off without money. Even if a few people here and there would waste the money, the community would be undoubtedly better because more of us would do well with the money. So some blacks want to self-sabotage and feel comfortable being told to “get over it” and receiving nothing.
We are living in a great age. You see the difference in the community. Those with a Pan-African, take-the-back-seat-to-nobody mentality and those who go along get to get along and are not connected to their roots.
The whiteman dont owe us reparations he owes us his life. I don't put a price on my ancestors head. We get reparations once we remove the whiteman from power period point blank
I am liable to shoot him with the gun I bought with the money.
Bono how the hell are we gonna do that when we broke as fuck. Money=Power and we ain't got nan one. Reparations 2014!!!!! I say we continue/finish what Dr. King started and storm the hell out of Washington. Camp out and don't leave till they cut the damn check.
Now, that was a great show. White privilege is directly connected to the wealth generated by black slavery.So how do you balance that out? The one caller toward the end did make a great point about an independent banking system to hold the money.
Great show, one of the best podcasts in a while. I agree we should definitely fight for our respiration money. But the only thing that you didn't address is "how much money do we deserve". How can we put a figure on that? How much land should we each get? Can you do another show and put an exact financial figure on it?
Excellent show. To hell with what other races think......it's time to collect our check. I can agree with Dr. King on that. ;-)
Be careful, by accepting a mere cheque you are making amends and saying that money is equivalent to the pains of slavery. The reparation has to be more than cash.
WOW tariq you better look under your car for a bomb everytime after this one, good fire
It is absolutely impossible to place a "dollar" value on reparations for the descendants of slavery(maafa). If you try to calculate, you will soon see the planet(ALL nations combined)do not have enough resources or money to pay. Not compounding interest The only answer is in the form of land. LA,MS,AL,GA,FL is a good starting point.
Okay. Land (LA,MS,AL,GA,FL)
50% discount on property ownership
50% tax break black enterprises
Peace brother, I said that was a start. Next step, all Africans incarcerated released to that land. after this hhas been done we can now begin to tax the american government for not only its sanctioning slavery but refusal to franchise"freed" slaves and dismissal of the african condition post slavery...essentially take a piece of thier ass every other Friday for the next 500 years
OBlack people if we don't stand up we are going to continue lay down and be door mats. This is more than just about money, its about TRUE equality and us being acknowledged for our contributions to this country. A-MAUR-ica would be nothing without the blood sweat and tears of African people in its soil. No other people in history have had to deal with the hardships that we have had to endure in the history of this country and the struggle continues. Immigrants come to this country and get various monies and subsidies to start businesses in our communities and drain us dry economically while laughing all the way to the bank. Were told to pull ourselves up by our boots traps but see,here's the mean trick, when we did pull them up (Tulsa Ok, Greenwood district, Durham NC) those straps were cut and the fear of God was struck into very hearts of Black People. No other people had their boot straps cut so EXCUSE ME for wanting the dominant society buy me and my brothas and sistas some new boots!! Greenwood and Durham epicenters of black economics and wealth, not just for the black in those towns at the time but for future generations of blacks all across the world,because that productive energy and success would have spawned other communities just like them all across the country and globally.No other people have had to endure their whole communities being destroyed as well as have their entire history omitted out of the text books and culture stripped from them and replaced with a boot leg so called negro culture. No other people have had to endure 300 yrs of captivity only to be released,disenfrachised/barred from employment,lynched, castrated and had babies cufrom the mothers stomachs and trampled on. There were never any signs up in this country saying "No Italians allowed" "No Asians allowed" No Hispanics allowed" but there were signs saying no coloreds allowed and pieces of jimcrowe still exist to this day.This is not about us getting a "hand out" this is about us conquering a fear that has dominated us for over 40 years. A fear that has made us suffer in silence while other groups ask for what they want and have their wishes granted. 40 years of others get the American dream, while we wake in cold sweats from the American nightmare. Its time for us to stop being a bunch of scared and clammering negros,holding on to a job just getting by to please Mr Charlie and fight with the warrior spirit of our ancestors. Change won't come if we just sit back on our heels and go along to get along.We were not born to live this way. Being great is our birthright because that is what we come from....Greatness.
We do need our shit that our ancestors built jpmorgan, Goldman sachs, bank of Amerikkka, Wachovia And Other Dynasties with... And We NEED To be reimbursed for every fucking single cent of income tax we have ever paid since per the constitution, descendants of slaves could never be citizens anyway. why help a government Oppress Us? Slavery never ended. But flex I think that you're not really understanding the current state of the us economy... we need to look internationally... venezuela, china, brazil, south africa, Ethiopia, singapore, etc... the us dollar is gonna collapse whenever China decides to dump the dollar and start world war 3... If we got our reparations we need land, or silver and gold.... something tangible.. or if u got greenbacks diversify that shit to other reserve currencies... and that's another thing... I'm coming flex remember the name Mr. CRB cuz I will start lion king enterprise companies a huge conglomerate company..but we need to engage in a lil financial warfare... Part of our "group economics" practice needs to include taking our black owned businesses and dumping the us dollar, converting all of our profits to other currencies, starting our own credit unions, holding our assets in any entity besides a bank affiliated with the federal reserve system.. flex this government ain't gonna give us our shit that's owed to us.. so what's needed is a full on hell raising a anarcosocialist insurrectionary revolution (u gullible negros learn the difference between communism and socialism be commenting)...hell the United States of Amerikkka (add the Vatican, and the synagogue of satan to that mix) is at war with us akready. And we ain't got the means to fight back. When we (yes we) start this huge conglomerate company, we need a huge greater black effort that's never been seen.. and for sure take our shit to every economically left leaning with a black and brown population country on the face of the earth. Cuz everything we do the world takes notice. We are children of judah sons of israel... fuck that Christianity,shit.. that's the #1 problem with gullible negros... fuck them bitch ass liberals misquoted and editing the bible which our history book... fuck that going to hbcu's (their funded by the same people who oppress us anyway) and universities to learn a watered down curriculum and a bunch of propaganda.. they want to privatize our schools, fuck it let's play the game back why can't we fund our own schools and make hidden colors be part of a mandated curriculum? Instead of sending our kids to colleges to sell out to Greek gods (fuck all you akas, kappas, thetas, etc if you're part of a fraternity or sorority as a black male or female kill yourself) we need to create nonprofit organizations with relatable and appliable job training with financial literacy required.. it's time we just own up. Because as the true israelites, depending on this heartless ass country is the last thing we need.. because we are at war.. out this bitch...
Lol niggas talking about free university education for people who wanna study business.... smh @ gullible non solution proposing ass niggas.... 67% of all bachelor's degree holders are unemployed or underemployed and that's WHITE OR BLACK. Going to school to get a fucking peace of paper is retarded.. going to school to learn how to study business doesn't teach you how to run a business... hell I didn't need to go to school to learn how to calculate the net asset value of your favorite s & p 500 company... There are millions of books there are public libraries, suggesting going to school so u can be told how to think is having a hoe mentality nigga our God gave you your own brain.. going out and getting the knowledge and seeking the mentorship to apply that knowledge is pimp and boss mentality... 50% discount on property ownership? Wtf are u talking about? Property values in every Black neighborhood in Amerikkka is already at a fucking discount that's more of a handout than anything... why don't we create non profit organizations that teach our people how to invest... 50% tax breaks on black organizations? nah fuck that get a 501c3c and pay NO god damn taxes.... flex we need to create a think tank because some of these comments and suggestions make my fucking eyes bleed.
Yes university doesn't guarantee you a job, but the poorest black people are so under educated that they need a university level of education to bring up our status. It's not just about the employment its about restoring status and university can give us status instantly. And if we can go for free. Why not?
As far as housing, 50% discount on property is fair, it will allow us to move into more "middle class" neighbourhoods. Yes houses in the hoods are cheap already but who wants to live in the hood? Getting shot and robbed.
Also keep in mind there are black people outside of USA, including Europe. I'm British myself. In London house prices are high in all neighbourhoods. You can't get anything for less than £250,000. So we don't have the luxury of "cheap hood housing".
In a lot of other countries where black people reside have different cultures, different social-economical problems so the reparations have to benefit them too.
dude u really didn't think critically about the propositions in my first comment. Yes the poorest black neighborhoods are so badly undereducated, but that's exactly why we need to take control of our educational systems. And by saying nobody wants to "live in the hood and get shot or robbed" well obviously you don't understand the impact of social-engineering, and obviously you didn't listen to Flex when he said all of our problems are economics... gangbangers, jack-boys, dope dealers are all just results of niggas not having shit to do or no money going around. Tell me what constitutes middle class? Middle class is a euphemism for "aint that many niggas around" if u feel differently please explain yourself... u obviously don't understand street/ thug life... niggas aint thugs and street dudes because they just simply want to, they do it because they have no other options or the education or guidance to apply that drive legitimately.. And trust me, if you can make a living off dealing dope, you can make it in the business world....
Let me give you a real life example.... before 2008, in the real estate collapse, when banks were preying on black folks that dont have any financial education, they were selling them houses that they couldn't afford... when banks collapsed because of holding too many nonperforming assets the bailouts the federal government gave all these banks, it allowed them to acquire these foreclosed houses on PENNIES on the dollar... way less than 50%... Now 5 years later, (the gentrification that flex speaks so much about) houses in some of these neighborhoods are at an all time high, the areas that these white private firms didn't touch are now some of the most impoverished areas and thus "hoods where they rob and kill".... And i couldn't give 2 shits about what goes on in europe, except for maybe germany... the eurozone is a fucking mess and I see why germans want their own currency, but that's a topic you're definitely not qualified to chime in on....
As for not going to school for free? going to school is a waste of time... a waste of time is a waste of money... a college education really only is valuable for careers such as IT, architecture, and other high-skills jobs... But again, why couldn't we set up nonprofit organizations where 1.) the best and brightest in the fields of IT, etc (really any field) volunteer their time to educate, groom, and train those that are interested 2.) those volunteering their time get tax deductions which is already law 3.) any income the nonprofit generates goes to those volunteering their time to learn and teach by their volunteer hours, (volunteers are owners of nonprofits like stockholders own corporations) as opposed to going to school learning a whole bunch of useless shit for 4 years before you even get to your major and even if that process was completely free, you best believe that the drive and desire is gone....
All these solutions are shit that I THOUGHT OF... no college education nothing... You're only young and creative and have drive once... The young under 27 are the ones that are going to change the world and be innovative... why the fuck would u want somebody to goto college for 4-8 years be 24 or 25 when they graduate and only have a couple years to unlearn all the useless shit they learned at ages 18-20 THEN have to gain experience which'll take 2 or 3 years before by the time they are ready to lead, they are 28 and focused on other shit like getting married and having a family
which brings up another point.. Most black folks are raised a bit differently, we don't have the luxury of staying at home for free until we're 25 fucking years old... hell alot of black people get charged rent to stay at their parents house at age 20, 21, so again why goto college and waste time when u still have to make a living? why goto college when in our critical economic situations u got young sistas with kids at age 20, 21 and still have to make a living? Again whats the problem with starting nonprofit organizations and immediately learning the applicable knowledge for their respective field at age 18, then by the time they're 22, 23 you still have that drive and youthful spirit to be able to make change and be creative...
Anybody reading this thats my age 25 years or younger... it's the young black male that creates the change... it's the young black male they are afraid of organizing and mobilizing.. young niggas run the streets, young niggas built this country, it's young niggas they want to be like, dress like us, talk like us, rap like us.. It's young niggas that need to be innovative, that's why they target young niggas with faggot ass lil waynes and officer ricky rosses... Young nigga don't let old crusty ass cooning motherfuckers who want to be accepted by whites tell you anything... we need more brothers like flex, you wanna create change, goto you local public library or order you your own library on amazon.com, young nigga goto your local s
WORD!!! Some of these niggas killin me too. Suggesting that we "go to college" is basically suggesting that we "go to the white man again for knowledge support". And also suggesting that "we don't know how to spend money" therefore reparations won't help is like subscribing to the same logic that white America uses to label black men in general. "Because a lot of them niggas thuggin and might have malicious intentions, giving them opportunities, rights, equality, and peace is futile because most of these won't know what to do with it
It's like black folks don't have any faith in themselves... I honestly have more faith in that nigga on the corner "thuggin" because he's completely rebelled against a system that doesn't value him or his life anyway, as a man of the most high god, this aint our homeland anyway so it's commanded not to take your oppressors as friends or to make any kind of covenant with them, its just time man. What if all the thugs, gangbangers, and dope dealers got together and created their own enterprises.... Hell jews and the United States of Amerikkka does it... It's called the federal reserve, cia, and dea..
Maybe that's that's the foundation of our similar lines of logic (the most high). It's probably the fact that most of them are not aware of the spiritual origin of all of this. They might as well be UNconscience literally.
Piece of paper my bad
that's real talk, EVERYTHING has a spiritual basis in this... Even the history of slavery, which flex was slightly off on. When he said that other africans sold us into slavery, that's kinda not true.. Because today white people try to differentiate between arab/muslim north african countries and "sub-saharan africans" We (the true israelites) just happened to be in africa fleeing romans when they invaded our homeland (israel) then the muslims put into slavery by conquest.... The muslims had us in slavery in africa and they sold us to christians.. So by white people logic today, it wasn't other africans that sold us into slavery, it was other arabs that happened to live in africa that sold us into slavery.. But really all that doesn't matter today, because esau aka the offspring of romans and christians are still pillaging africa after 800-900 years of colonialization (see congo)... and ismael aka the muslims, are mentally enslaving the other africans nations and destroying their sovereignty with secularism.. So what's the alternative? Black people in america aka Judah has to rise up and fight back and unite everybody is watching us, all the non puppet state in the world hate the United States of Amerikkka, They'll take notice when we create this socialist anarchy revolution.. and it starts with the mindset of people like Mr. CRB, Puck, and Flex
To be honest, I'm mostly upset with these Jakes and their tendency to voluntarily swim in this ignorance. They have niggas suggesting school, tax breaks, and even turning away way their inheritance because they see it as some "giveaway" lmao at these niggas. These coons may just be as big a problem as these white folks.
Fuck it... we need to have the next million man March and we need to finish the job MLK set for us... descend on Washington to get our check... and if you want to squander your inheritance "because niggas will buy rims and jordans" I'll take your check and buy me some Jordans and rims, maybe some tariq elite sunglasses, and invest mine... or better yet, maybe me and puck and whoever else can start a company and acquire the Jordan brand with our "handouts"
We shouldn't get reparations.
I strongly disagree with what Tariq is saying. Now before you call me a coon please hear me out.
1.We should forget begging white people for handouts and work with the money we already have. We have the money, even if its just crumbs it is still enough. We have the numbers too if you include black people from Latin America and Africa. We just have to use it..
2.Suppose they agree with giving reparations there is a good chance that it will go to the wealthy elite and paid coons. And that doesn't help the situation we are in. Its been done before with the civil rights movement 'minority' trick. What makes you think that it won't happen again.
3.Asking wealthy blacks to invest in black business stock is probably more productive(and more realistic) than asking wealthy whites for 300 year old wealth that has probably been spent already.
4.It isn't like we cant create wealth on our own. With the comment like 'we ain't got nothing anyways' you make it seem like we are completely helpless against white supremacy. And we need a rich old white man to sign a check to us for hundreds of years of physical and psychological abuse. Seriously?? we can make the money ourselves and have.
It isn't like im completely against reparations. Im mean im honestly not going to turn down free money, but it doesn't sit well with me. It isn't fear if thats what you're thinking. Its more of a combination of rage and pride. Still deadly sins but... im just saying.
Wtf? Did you understand anything the man said? A "handout" is something given that was not earned or inherited. In this case, it's like your wallet with you lottery ticket and the will to your multiple villas being taken and not being returned.
Whether or not it goes to whomever is beside the point. They could "get educated" like most of the coons suggest that still spend money with the elites. Focus on the first step before you try and climb the 3rd flight of stairs.
Dude if money makes money what makes you consider the labor of the slaves as "money already spent"? Where do you think America as you see it now came from? On who's backs was it built?
Why do you think anybody's asking a white man for something? Reparations would only be asking FOR OUR SHIT BACK. Nobody's begging or bumming. The labor, physical and psychological abuse are all valuable in many ways. Labor need not be explained, physical and psychological abuse are what we call oppression. Yes. In history it has been proven the most efficient tool to weaken a large group of people.
SMH niggas coons and don't even know it.
I can't disagree with your first point but I dont agree with the rest.
It does matter where the money is going. Simply giving money to the elites will further disenfranchise us, because they are giving the oppressors more power. Rich coons will spend there money on whites while completely ignoring the black community. Money might also go to the NAACP or 'minority' programs which wont help us either. The money will go to asians and arabs instead of us if that happens. We will be back at sqaure one.
Dont't think it wont happen either, white people have been playing us for decades. Do you still trust them to hold their end of the bargain?
Yes America was built on the backs of slaves, but what is stopping us for building another black wall street. We did it before with little money and we didn't need white people's blood money to do it.
When it comes down to it, its nothing but glorified begging. so what if they taken our wealth, there is really only three ways to get it back. option 1: begging them to give it back (what tariq is suggesting now). Option 2: roll down to D.C with Ak's and grenades and force them to give us reparations. Option 3: get our wealth back by our own merits and prevent them from taking it again (The most logical and realistic choice imo)
Scott again, it does not make sense to turn down what's rightfully yours, because of what you speculate will happen. Like Tariq stated, " you don't starve yourself because there is a chance that the food might get wet in the rain". BLACK MEN PLEASE STOP BEING SO FEARFUL AND COONISH! Man I promise no disrespect brother but c'mon man!
With the understanding of what happened to the black Wall Street how can you suggest that all with the idea that it is the only way? Why would you want to do the same thing that did not work the first time? Also, despite my stating that the "bootstrap" method is a farce and has never been utilized because its unreasonable, you still suggest this delusional path. Basically what I getting from you is that we do nothing new, productive, or constructive?
How is working hard to gain economic power unreasonable or delusional? Its what we are suppose to do anyways to food on the table. Marching on the street demanding reparations will get me $0 an hour and sore feet. Working hard and investing into black businesses will get me $100,000 a year. A very reasonable effort and will put us far ahead economically then begging white folks for money.
Also you make it seem like another Tulsa will happen when we rise up economically. Yea it might happen, but that doesn't mean we can't do any strategic moves internationally(or domestic) to prevent it from happening. We can learn from the past. And speaking of the past demanding white folks to do something for us got us nowhere for 50 years. The bootstrap method IS the only way.
Scott Im not saying that hard work is unreasonable man. You are now taking my points out of context. My point is that "bootstrapping" and "hard work" is not a new concept that has gotten us nowhere. Was slavery NOT hard work? Is the current prison situation NOT hard work? Was segregation NOT hard work? Is the current low pay/ poverty conditions for hard labor NOT classified as hard work? Was black Wall street NOT hard work? Was marching a million miles NOT hard work? Man that's the mind frame that keep us on the plantation.
Was even more interesting is the fact that your outlook on bootstrapping is glass half full while your outlook on reparations is glass half empty. You agree that it can go either way if we bootstrap, but you dismiss Tariq's point when he said that it may go to waist and it may not. Why are you so against receiving what I rightfully ALREADY yours without working for it again?
Let me put you on game about the dominant society. Do you thing our current state is mere coincidence? Are you aware that these government divisions are here to keep you and whomever in order in many ways? Why do you think they killed Saddam despite finding no weapon of mass destruction? Bin Laden and the entire fiction about him? The Cuban website that American officials created to sabotage them? The war on drugs? The war on black wall street? an I can go on for days with this.
Dude America set up false flag operations all the time just for the sole purpose of sabotaging organizations that may challenge them or cause an uprising against them. So you can try to build black wall street again and think that concentrated effort will work and have to watch history repeat itself.
With reparations the uprising would be different because it wont be prosperity and a threat in one concentrated place but all over the entire country and even in Europe. THEN sabotaging the movement will be impossible to significantly effect without showing their hand. Then Tariq's suggestion will come into play and the ball will be in our court then. With this much money in our community I guarantee those financial lines will begin to meet. Even if we just took conscious brothers that chime in on the topics, with the proper money comes the resources. After the resources comes the knowledge, consciousness, then awareness. After that, THATS A WRAP!!.
Sycophancy and logic seldom go hand in hand.
First of all when Tariq was campaigning for Kickstarter money to get Hidden colors made, he made a point to say that black brothers and sisters HAVE the money to contribute to worthwhile efforts but are hellbent on spending it on frivolous shit. If I remember correctly he quoted 'black folks pay for entertainment and beg for what they need.' The resulting chorus of yes-men agreeing with that assessment of African American economic activity is in stark contrast to what he's saying now, and what all you yes-men are subsequently agreeing with.
So what's changed? I'll let you answer that. But before you do, answer me this:
Was the 'Black Wall Street' built on handouts or pride from a people that we'rent allowed to shop or trade with anyone else forcing them to build their own future?
Though this argument is moot in the first place. Since the idea that the American or English or any other government will pay out TRILLIONS of £/$ in reparations is science fiction in the first place.
Blood is paid in blood. No one's going to pay me a few £££ for the genocide of my people and say we're cool.
Which specific points of Tariq's do you disagree with?
Now, as for reparations, that gets to a bigger point that Tariq has been making for months now, specifically every single piece of legislation that has been allegedly set up to repair black people has actually benefited others. White women are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action. I know white men who set up companies in their white wives names in order to get at that white woman affirmative action. A white man can claim 1/64 Native American to get that benefit. I know white men married to Asian women who have kids who can pass as white that they say are minorities to get special scholarships when convenient. Damn near everyone else is a minority if they want to be, except for black people. The welfare state is a huge boon for private business that handle Section 8 and EBT. So realistically, there NEVER has been an effort to balance out the legacy of slavery with the present black population. A white man arriving from Europe today can role into more privilege than a black man who's family has been here for generations. We live in a system that never stopped trying to screw us over. And that system was funded by a money that does not benefit us.
I think the bigger picture of reparations is that black people need to start getting on the same page and making demands, while still remaining educated, employed and entrepreneured. Every other ethnic group, from the Jews, to the Japanese, to the Armenians is on the same page at some level in order to get some level of restoration...except for black Americans.
Now, you say reparations is the realm of science fiction...well how about black Americans get on the same page and make it science fact? My friend, without a uniform cause to support, black people are on the way to perpetual servitude...again.
And tell me how is it logical to expect a recreation of black Wall Street post Jim Crow? Just as the black family structure, unity, etc has been cunningly altered, therefore the priorities and values are not focused on impowering the black community. But individual accomplishments. With the money to educate our OWN, there is a chance that we can liberate our OWN. Using Black Wall Street to push this "bootstrap or you are the reason for your issues" philosophy is disingenuous.
Besides, please share with us this race of people that came from oppression and was redeemed via the "bootstrap" method?
@Hors Sfier If you under stand that we live in system that is set up to screw us over. What makes you think they wont set up a system to screw us over with reparations, and thats if it happens(it wont happen). Reign from London is right. Asking for reparations is nothing but a fools game.
@Puck The bootstrap method is our only choice. We can make all the excuses in the world but it still wont take away that fact that we have to get our hands dirty.
Stop comparing other races with our own, we are not them and never will be(when it comes to white supremacy and racism). We have to deal with this struggle in our own unique way.
And by "unique" you mean we resort to what we have been trying for the last 400 years? Which is try and prosper and gain solice by submitting, working, college, and gaining fools victories via bullshit like tax cuts on property, etc all derivatives of BOOTSTRAPPING! Man I need you and anybody else show us how and slavery of a race of people was ever elevated by bootstrapping, and also show us once where requesting your just due viewed as begging in American society?
Show us where any enslavement in history has those people ever been alleviated via your bootstrap method. Please show us?
Once again you are comparing other races to our own. IT IS NOT impossible to upgrade our situation. There is no need to provide any examples, simply because we have tons of examples within our own race. I even have examples in my own family, and they went through jim crow segregation and other bullshit. What is stopping you?
There is more to what I say when I say begging. When we beg white folks we also beg white people to be honorable and moral for once and pay our well earned dues. Thats never going to happen.. why? because white people has a historical record for being dishonorable and unmoral when it comes to black folks. Thats the truth..
Scott there most certainly is a need to provide examples. Why? Because it is a legitimate gauge to determine whether or not your method is a working method or not. If your suggestion has no results then it has no foundation therefore its just babble. You cant just dismiss a persons proposal as logic or proof, that's not how you debate, and it most certainly is not healthy for chopping up this serious issue.
Now to further prove my point, I can show you numerous times where the group in power had to either be uprooted by an outside power that was already established or a new regime or common ground was reached before those who where oppressed were able to fully recover.
All this ego and chest beating want do anything for the cause because it will only be a weak point for the dominate society to expose. That is the game Scott.
There some of you niggas go with this "hand out" shit again. Its like some of yall have ripped a page out of the same coon encyclopedia...Let me say it plain, REPARATIONS ARE NOT HANDOUTS!!!!! They are monies OWED to us. Foreigners come to this country all the time and receive money to open businesses build up their communities and they didnt do shit to earn it besides jump they ass on a plane. That's what you call a hand out. Every dollar black folks get we have break our backs for someone else in order to get it, making them and their communities wealthier while we struggle check to check to keep a roof overhead and have no liquid assets or financial freedom whatsoever. We like to chant how slavery is so over yet the vast majority of us are in debt up to our ears and if we stopped working we'd be eating out the garbage in 2 weeks. I guess coons must have selective hearing because Tariq just played a clip for y'all niggas saying MLK wanted this, so this not a new phenomenon just pulled out of our asses overnight. THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY...NOT A LUXERY.
Yes, I feel we should of been compensated for all our inventions that walmart, the drugstores and all other stores that sell our inventions..The breaks in our car, baby bed, hair comb a long list of inventions that is used everday, that our ancestors invented. Yes pay up!!..plus my teenager would still be alive, if we were compensated, the youth killing each other is about economics...my baby would still be hear if that misguided hueman would of been sitting nicely with compensation. ..
Well, the 'coon encyclopedia' I got my opinions from is 'The Philosophy and Opinions of Marcus Garvey.'
To me he is the only brother who had the idea right in the first place.
I named my son after the man in his honor.
We can only rely on ourselves.
We have plenty of money, knowledge and expertise to create a nation to rival our achievements in Ancient Egypt. One that stands now after many millennial cycles as the dominant achievement of mankind!
In my own humble opinion we need to circulate our own wealth, appreciate and love our own image and stop being afraid of ourselves.
Tariq does his thing and I appreciate his work wholeheartedly. He's dead wrong on this one though.
Dude, where is all of this money you speak about? Have we not "helped ourselves" during the last 4 or 500 years? Yes regardless to reparations or not we will have to help ourselves, I don't think anybody is debating that. Relying on ourselves would still be done in receiving reparations because hey....Unless you forgot, IT IS OUR INHERITANCE.
Your suggestion would require a race of beaten battered and lost people to wake up one day and leave their fallacy of freedom and become conscious enough to take huge steps such as fixing a 500 year problem. Keep it real son. The object of the game is to get resources available in your community so that 1) You can keep cycling cash in your community and 2) You can start to consciously educate your people on who they are and that thy are not bums and losers. They will see black leaders, they will start to see black faces and black culture not being marginalized, but rather the standard, they will not have be afraid to make mistakes and not persecuted when they do make mistakes. We then will see the weaves with away, the hopeless "I don't give a fuck" attitudes will not be necessary.
And yeah, niggas may still buy Jordans, but it will be from a black owned manufacturer lol.
I think some folks on here need to make sure they know definition of Reparation.
IE: Measures taken by the state to redress gross and systematic violations of human rights law or humanitarian law.
If measures are done correctly, we won't have to worry about other Blacks folks tricking the money off.
What Tariq is talking about is real compensation. Not simply a damn check!
Reparations are not given to the ancestors. You don't wait 300 years to get reparations. And we did actually have a reparation system, it was called the Freedman's Bureau, but they took that away.We had the USA gov't give us land, an army to protect ourselves, education, political office and a bunch of other benefits.
We have affirmative action and we have African American business loans and grants that we can receive from the USA gov't, what else do we need? At this point, it's really about getting up and doing it.
Reparations are given to the actual living sufferers or their families. Most African Americans don't even know their family history.
Reparations will never ever happen because there is nobody to give it to. And slavery was actually legal in most parts of the world back then, reparations are for illegal activities. If we receive reparations, then indentured servants, Africans Arabs, Greeks, Italians would also need their reparations also for slavery.
The entire world would just be paying each other back for stuff that was legal centuries ago.
When the Kenyans received reparations by the British for war crimes, it was given to the families and family members, not the entire Kenyan population.
When the Japanese-Americans received reparations by the US gov't it was given to the actual family members that were detained, not the entire Japanese-American population.
Unless you think that all 40 to 50 Million African Americans need cash compensation for something that happened 300 to 400 years ago, that would be an unprecedented thing to happen in International Law.
First of all, we might as well get money from West Africa as well because they were capturing and selling us, all of Western Europe because they were traffickers, not just America.
The reason why British West Indies are asking for reparations because they have no money. Caribbean countries are the biggest beggars.
There was an actual reparations bill and it did not ask for cash compensation. It was pretty much the Freedmen's Bureau 2.0 and it asked for full disclosure for all those who were involved in the African Slave Trade, a museum like the Jews have and some type of government system that assists us in the development of an actual community, it didn't ask for cash, it wasn't gonna give us anything.
"Reparation=the payment of damages : indemnification; specifically : compensation in money or materials payable by a defeated nation for damages to or expenditures sustained by another nation as a result of hostilities with the defeated nation —usually used in plural"
And why shouldn't reparations be given to the ancestors if no reparations for those offences were ever dispersed? The by-product of those offences are still present and VERY effective while the wealth and assets are still as well. From having the exact same low wealth percentage to having the same coonish frame of mind that we had pre Jim Crow.
"You don't wait 300 years to get reparations. And we did actually have a reparation system, it was called the Freedman's Bureau, but they took that away"
NIGGA STOP!!! The freedman's bureau was NOT a reparation system for blacks as it also was set in place to help impoverished whites after the civil war. This program only lasted several years. Furthermore, it is estimated to have assisted only tens of thousands of slaves when over 4 million were freed and in need of assistance. And why would you try and aggrandize the land distribution claim in order to strengthen your motive? A massive majority of the land was given to the original owners. Which means what? With these few isolated crumbs given that can in no way equate to a "reparation", How can you fix your mouth as a black man and honestly consider that as a fraction of compensation?
That's like saying equality was granted when they let niggas start drinking out of the same water fountain. Coon train is here!!
"We have affirmative action and we have African American business loans and grants that we can receive from the USA gov't, what else do we need? At this point, it's really about getting up and doing it."
There is no "African American business loans" and "Black Affirmative Action", its masked under MINORITY BENEFITS. Guess who is classified as "minorities"? Irish, Asian, Italian, and many other NON-Blacks. Oh and don't forget the most beneficial individual of AA.....THE WHITE WOMAN!! Dude where have you been? This is children's knowledge.
"Reparations will never ever happen because there is nobody to give it to. And slavery was actually legal in most parts of the world back then, reparations are for illegal activities. If we receive reparations, then indentured servants, Africans Arabs, Greeks, Italians would also need their reparations also for slavery."
Dude you spew so much non sense, it will be hard to address your essay of ignorance. Do you know what an "indentured servant was"? Do you know that they made their way to America on their own fleeing from persecution and signed contracts in agreement of their servitude was freed after seven years max, they had laws to protect them, AND THEY RECIEVED SOMETHING CALLED A FREEDOM PACKAGE. Go research it.
"Unless you think that all 40 to 50 Million African Americans need cash compensation for something that happened 300 to 400 years ago, that would be an unprecedented thing to happen in International Law .
Reparations are given to the actual living sufferers or their families. Most African Americans don't even know their family history."
SMH!! Yes, slavery didn't end in the North until 1804 so all blacks are owed a piece of that pie. And in case you didn't know, reparations were not given to the next generation of the actual slaves or the generation after that, or the generation after that. So who should it reasonably go to? I guess it should stay in the pockets of the oppressors cause hey..."We don't want to beg, niggas goin buy Jordans, affirmative action was suffice, we need to bootstrap, etc". In case you didn't know, inheritance is not subject to your predecessors. Have you ever heard of the phrase "old money"? After reading this maybe niggas are our own worst enemy.
No disrespect brother, but that was a coon train post.
"We have affirmative action and we have African American business loans and grants that we can receive from the USA gov't, what else do we need? At this point, it's really about getting up and doing it."
No, we don't have affirmative action. AA is a joke for black americans. White women are the main beneficiaries of affirmative action, followed by white men who either are married to white women or who can claim 1/128 Native American. There is nothing exclusive to black americans. Anyone who has worked in corporate america or gone to a large university can tell you that the number of blacks stay low while the number of women approaches 50%. Think about. Major colleges and corporations have explicit policies to get the female population to about 50%. No so with blacks.
Here was the reparations bill established by an African American senator, John Conyers Jr, that asked for a commission and some studies to be done and then proceed with a course of action.
The bill above I could get behind because there are a lot of things we do not know and something like the Freedman's Bureau to be established would be nice as long as it is independent and African American only and is in the interest of African Americans only.
If it is not an independent African American ran and African Americans only and pro-African American institution, I do not want it.
Be careful of what you ask from the government that already enslaved you and is against all forms of pro-African American activity if they are not running the show.
I am not getting behind suing for things that happened 400 to 1000 years ago. That would be really dangerous. History happens, make sure you are the winning side of it. The choices a people make now, will impact centuries.
I wanna be able to screw over some Europeans like they did us and I don't want my descendants having to give shit back.
Forget Christianity, forget Republicanism, forget logical positivism, you can forget all these things that we have learned from the Europeans, but remember this, there are no rules, no morals to life, you must do what you gotta do to ensure that your children and your children's children will be prosperous, proactive and can defend themselves against all enemies. That's what the Europeans did and continue to do and we have not learned that yet.
Tariq had it right in previous episodes.Black people need:
2.A Parallel Society
3.and Leverage/ Influence
Reparations sounds good in theory but we don't need it and here are a some reasons why:
1.Tariq is a perfect example. Coming from nothing and putting in work and having ALL Black people,from all walks of life, support him and his vision and make something of himself.Now imagine if we supported 10 no 100 even a 1000 more like him and other brothas and sisters out there who have a vision or an idea that can change their economic situation and every generation after them.
2.We are the leaders, creators and innovators of trends, fashion, music,art, science, sports,business and so much more and this was built off of scraps.
3.We have the economic buying power ,thats why they use us in every commercial, we just use ours in the wrong places.
4.We have proven it time and time again once we get behind something collectively our spirit, our will, and our power is unstoppable.
I agree with most of your points, especially 4. However, I think the move for reparations gets to a larger point if you think chess and not checkers. Reparations gets black people on the same page. Take a look at the latest group in America to get on the same page: the gay mafia. The gay mafia used the power of the entertainment industry to push through gay marriage and all of this sensitivity training anytime someone hurts a gay's feelings. The gay mafia picked one topic and stuck with it. Before that, it was white women with getting the vote, getting educated, getting employed and getting birth control. Even women who have never had abortions want OTHER women to have the right to get one. Women who don't vote still want that right available to them. That is the chess game of being on the same page.
Seriously, Tariq, this is possibly your best podcast yet. And just like you said, the Coon Train was right on time in the comment section of this podcast talking nonsense out of fear.
Mr. CRB is dead on... deutetronomy 28:41... thou shalt beget sons and daughters; but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.... doesn't that sound familiar? In america, if u look on the back of your dollar bill, it says "in god we trust" it says that because money is their god... fuck that reparations shit, it's time we have war with these motherfuckers...
Exodus 23:32-33.... thou shalt make no covenant with them nor with their gods, they shalt not dwell in thy land lest they make sin against me: for if thou serve their gofs, it will surely be a snare unto thee.... getting reparations is laying down your arms... yall negros can have this debate on some shit that ain't never gonna happen anyway, but solson is coming with vengeance in his heart...
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